Showing posts with label losses. Show all posts
Showing posts with label losses. Show all posts

Wednesday, May 30, 2018

Poor Discipline Today

I broke just about every rule there was to break today at the market and I paid for it.

$CODX is a low float that ran up a bunch yesterday on no news, so naturally it was on my watchlist for this morning. It closed strongly end of day yesterday and then proceeded to rally after hours. Here are my mistakes from today.


  1. Having a long bias on a stock with NO NEWS. I even said this in my watchlist for today to be careful because it had no news and it was a choppy stock. If you don't know why something is running, stay away from it, and if you can't help it, at least trade it very small. I did not stay away, and I should have traded smaller.
  2. I bought at the open after it was already up a ton, in anticipation of a morning spike. It very quickly turned around which led to...
  3. Averaging down instead of cutting the loss immediately! I averaged in for a total of 3 positions, each time hoping it would get me back to break even. What was I thinking?!?! In all honesty, the whole time I was thinking "You have done this before and you know you should not be doing this, why are you doing this?" 
  4. The next mistake was somewhat revenge trading, or at least, trading when I was emotional. You know you should not be trading when as soon as you are in a position you want to be out of it. I took 2 more trades, one for a controlled small loss, and one that basically made that small loss up.
The conclusion is that I just completely ignored the price action that I was watching. The price is always the truth! 

THE PRICE IS ALWAYS THE TRUTH.















I saw it all happening, and I just hoped. Planning on a dip buy down to support is one thing, buying at the open before a breakout has even occurred and then adding to your obviously losing position is just horrible. I lost 5% of the value of the trading account today. Something I at least did right, was not going in with more than 20% of the account size. 

Today was just a slow market, and I should not have traded that stock, except to the downside. Of course there were no shares to short. It turns out to have been a chatroom pump... Some fake guru got his followers to buy the stock and he tanked it at the open. Had there actually been a real catalyst behind this stock, it could have really had a second day of squeezing. Really, that's what it did premarket. It squeezed shorts who didn't respect the first green day of a low float stock. I just didn't play the RIGHT play and buy it at the close yesterday.

Friday, November 20, 2015

Taking Losers: An old post with relevant logic.

Taking losers... This was written from a short term trading perspective long ago. It assumes discretionary trading is taking place, but now, I would simply say: Back-test a plan and only trade it if it the data gives you a long term positive expectancy. Some of this logic would still apply, but a plan should be followed meticulously, otherwise the data is invalidated and so is your expectancy.  I don't think I ever posted it so here goes.



When you buy clothes for work, should you feel like it was a waste of money? No, because its that purchase that allows you to dress properly so you can perform your job and get paid.

When a business owner buys materials for their business, should they feel like it was money down the drain? Of course not. Without raw materials, a business cannot make products to sell and produce a profit.

So then why when trading, do we fear loss of capital so badly? It is because we fail to see that loss for what it truly is. It is a counter-intuitive principal that must be understood. When the entire purpose of trading is to make money, it feels completely against the point to lose money doesn't it?

You must come to understand that losing trades are an unavoidable cost of doing business. You must view the losing trade as the one and only way to make yourself available for the opportunity to make money in the long run.

As with any business, there is overhead and the less overhead a business has to pay out the more profitable that business can be. In trading the overhead of a losing trade is unavoidable. There is no magic way to never lose in trading, without doing something illegal.

In most businesses monthly rent must be paid to keep the opportunity to welcome customers... In trading, losses are like the rent. It is the risk you must take to attract the paying customers.

In the business of trading, you employ a method of your choosing to extract money from the market. Every method will experience both winning and losing trades, but the only way to have success with any one method is to make sure that over time your average dollars won outweighs your average dollars lost.

It sounds very simple, and it is, but how do you know that your method is able to do this? Back testing. Back testing is the process of using past market data to apply your methodology and obtain performance data.

Through a large sample size of trades you will then have the data to determine very specifically your winning percentage, losing percentage, average size winner and average size loser.

When you run those numbers you will then find what kind of performance your system is likely to experience in the future. Note that I said "Likely". The past is never guaranteed to repeat itself into the future exactly, so at best we have an insight as to how any particular method might perform. The more trades you produce through as many different market conditions you can test them through, the more accurate your data will be.

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As in any business we hope to make the most money possible as fast as possible, but what happens in the real world when an item is not selling? What is the market telling us?

"The price is too high" or "I don't agree with your valuation".

In the real world, if an item isn't selling (considering it is of quality) the price is lowered to entice sales so that a profit can still be made (
or as little loss as possible) rather than it sitting on shelves and making a total loss.

In trading, we have to listen to what the market is telling us very closely. When we set out to trade, we can often have a goal in mind of a certain percentage or dollar value we would like to see out of that trade. If we have taken some losses that day, the natural tendency can be to expect making it all back in the following trade so that our goal is met for the day/week.

We must keep in mind that the market is unaware of our goals, Unaware of our previous losses, and even if it were aware, would not care.

Just like the store owner who may have overpaid for a shipment of a certain item for any number of reasons, the market will only bear the price it is willing to bear. If the store owner must sell his product at a 10% premium than normal to make a profit, there is a likelihood that shoppers will not buy it at all! They are not concerned with the sellers cost, they are concerned with getting the best deal.

How does this apply to trading? When you are down a few bad trades and hoping to make it all back and then some on the next trade, the market might have other plans that don't consider your unfortunate position. You don't want to get caught holding on to a winning trade beyond what the market is willing to give you.

"How do I know what the market is willing to give me?"

The truth is You don't. At least not until after the fact. But, just as back testing can produce evidence of a particular future outcome (average winning trade size) you must realize that the market itself is a dynamic flowing picture of the present mind of consumers and very recent movements can indicate movements in the very near future. When a recent price hits a price level and starts to drop, that is immediate feedback that the collective mind thought that price was too high for the immediate moment.

Depending on which time frame you are going to trade from, the "immediate moment" can be gauged from other very recent moments, or moments from years ago... it all depends on where the collective focus is at. And by collective focus, I mean collective dollars, because in this business the money is what moves prices, not necessarily the most people.

So if you are an intra-day trader looking for a few pips, it is best for your targets to be based on movements within the realm of a normal day. Keep the dreams of hitting the home runs at bay, as they can cause you to miss out on the singles!

If you have taken two 5-pip losers, you now need 10 pips to get back to break even. Lets imagine that price most recently hit a high that was only 7 pips away and you are in a long trade now and You've just made up for the spread.

Does the market know you are down 10 pips?

No.

Does the most recent market picture tell you that price was "Too high" 7 pips higher than it is now?

Yes.

The most productive course of action might be to simply take your profit 6.5 to 7 pips from where it currently is and bank a profit when that price level is hit again. Now, depending on how significant that price level is, the market will have varying probabilities of reaction upon reaching that price point again.

One other option, if you feel that price could actually break that recent high, is to take profits from a portion of your position when the high is reached. If the market does break that high and continue higher, you will still be in the trade and can manage it further. If the market happens to turn from that high, you made some profit and could have protected your gains by moving your stop loss to your original entry price or perhaps a pip or two higher.

just as letting go of a loser immediately is important to do, there are situations when in a profit that you must exit quickly as well. Imagine you are just entered the trade... is the market retracing quickly against you? GET OUT! If you are in a profit it may be time to treat it as if you had just entered. The price action is the price action and the market is not aware nor does it care about your entry!

If you get in and it moves in your favor, stay in until it stops. if it reverses get out!

Wednesday, January 21, 2015

Small Update

Hey, if feels like a long time since I last posted. I have been feeling like shit about trading for a lot of reasons, but I have continued to study Tim's DVD and take it in bit by bit. I've just been feeling beat down over seeing losses in this account, even though they are fake and I don't intend to actually trade this way. It still is effecting me negatively and it sucks.

Some positive news is that I finally found a program to setup a remote desktop connection between my computer out on the road and my laptop at home! To my surprise you can actually use Google chrome browser with an app called remote connection, so that is cool. Best part about it is, I don't have to waste loads of time trying to set things up and forward ports or static IPs or anything like that. It's VERY simple so if you need to do it, just download chrome and the remote connection app and you can literally be setup in like 60 seconds. You can't transfer files, but I don't need to do that. I just need to control my laptop.

So with that said, I logged on the other night to see how it works and I took this screen shot.
I just so happened to have gotten creamed with several losses in a row, with a few chances to take 3x profits.









At that point I raised the trade size from 10k per trade to 20k basically hoping to come back later and find myself in a profit. I noticed this morning there was a significant loss and have just now logged on to check it out. Apparently there was some news and in a matter of a few minutes there were 7 losses in a row. with opportunity to gain it back as well, but that is hindsight trading of course.

Tomorrow the minimum bid rate for the ECB (Central bank) comes out so it will be interesting to see how the market responds to that. I'll be waking up and on the road right around the time it is happening so I won't be able to manage it really. I might place the robot and just see the results I don't know.



Anyways, on the Tim front and the trading thoughts in my mind... Part of me is just really scared of staying  home to trade and making a fool out of myself with all of this, and there is another part of me that wants to be determined to make it work no matter how long that takes. I mean, isn't that the point of never giving up? I have really been wondering just how likely it is for a person with a small account to actually grow it to the point of living off of it. And I mean, if they have no one to take care of them and cover bills in the mean time. That was my plan last year but things came up. I wanted to have a years worth of rent saved up and a small account to start with and see how it went. You know I listen to the traders podcast with Rob Booker, and I enjoy it quite a bit but not nearly as much as I used to. Ever since listening to Tim and watching his YouTube videos and seeing his transparency... I find a natural voice in my mind asking why Rob is not so transparent... He says he posts charts of his trades on his twitter and I haven't been a part of that so I don't know, but I just find that I am not getting what feels like any real meat out of that podcast anymore. Hell, it's really just a 20 minute conversation anymore about things I find rather insignificant. It feels more like cheer leading than anything of true value. While I recognize that a positive attitude is a great thing, so is a plan backed up by past results, and Rob doesn't offer that even in his trading course I bought... Tim has around 3,900 documented trades and a statistical 76% win rate with an average winner of around $2,300. That is the kind of thing that inspires what really matters: Educated confidence.

And as I write that I can almost hear Rob commenting to his audience, and specifically to me, that it's up to me to do the work and find the results I can be confident in. That has been a backbone of the journey I am documenting with this blog, but the reality is I am not going to just set a robot and forget it. I have yet to share my most likely strategy for forex trading on this blog yet, but suffice it to say it is not one that can be employed or even studied while I am on the road. It must be done live and in person and carefully studied so I can have real results to calculate.

I myself feeling like a quitter and a loser for being less active on this blog, even though from the start I never made any promises about it. It doesn't help that since that initial decline in performance it has just kept on going and has basically taken me back to break even. It is not confidence inspiring.

Let me try and give you a good parallel. I think it is kinda like turning on the news and seeing story after story of horrible things done by horrible people. Even though what you are witnessing may not be done in your country or directly impact you in a real way, it still has an impact on your psyche. Terrorism may not be present in your neighborhood, your town, or even your state... But it could anger and scare the shit out of you (like it does me) and cause results in your real life that otherwise would not have been happening.

I guess part of me is wondering if there is really anything positive about seeing all these losses over what is basically just random robotic trading losses. Part of it really is the gathering of data for the purpose of seeing if in the long term prices will move far enough in one direction to be profitable overall... But it has been a real battle to keep reminding myself that those losses are a result of a way I do not truly intend to trade, that those losses should not and do not reflect who I am personally as some kind of loser.

A large problem for me in all of this is the frustration I feel at seeing those losses while also seeing times that I could have taken profits if I had been paying attention, but the losses make it emotionally hard and too frustrating at times to even open the chart and look. I won't honestly be able to be at home and trade the way I want to until july. My desire, besides trading Tim's strategy, is to trade forex around huge news announcements like tomorrows Minimum bid rate (interest rate) because it makes the most sense to me to limit my trading to only the most volatile moves. I truly am starting to feel that trading any time otherwise is damn near close to a waste of time for me and my personality.

So if I stop updating the blog with certain things, or at all, it is probably because I have no energy for it or have determined to be ultimately not a positive use of time. I can't say either way what will happen but I wanted to say that regardless.

On one last note, I have started playing Skyrim on my PC and although I can't say it is quite my thing as it doesn't have guns, I am finding it a pleasurable use of my time, especially because I have modded the hell out of it with followers, and texture packs. So, maybe I'll post about that who knows haha.

Take care until next time,
-Francisco